The Reasons Against Same-Sex Marriage (and for Traditional Marriage)

CHEAP%20WEDDING%20RINGS_crop[This blog was originally part of my Facebook Notes when California’s Proposition 8 (the state constituional amendment affirming marriage as between a man and a woman) was being debated. I’ve updated it since then]

Why don’t you just let gays live in peace? They’re not bothering you. What’s done in the privacy of their own home isn’t any of your business.

That’s the essence of an argument I heard last night on TV. And although I’ve heard the argument before, I thought to myself, “How would I respond to that? After all, it’s not as if gays are pounding on my door personally demanding of me they have their rights.”

And this is only one of several arguments seeking to justify gay marriage. Because I’m slow on the uptake, I’ve realized that this issue will not go away, therefore I figured that it’d be important to better understand the reasons why gay marriage is not good for society.

And here is where I need to stop and make my disclaimer–

While I do not agree with the homosexual lifestyle, I also understand that gays have the right to freely live as they choose under the Constitution. They’re not second class citizens; they’re not horrible monsters. I know some (many?) will read this and automatically see me as a bigoted, backwards, religious homophobe wanting to squash the rights of others and impose my imbecilic religion on them.

None of that is true.

For those of you who disagree with my position, I hope that you’ll at least read the information below; whether it gives you pause to think about the opposing perspective for at least a little bit, that’s up to you. Hopefully, this can begin honest and respectful dialogue.

For those of you who agree with my position, I hope this information will provide good solid reasons why remaining firm on our government affirming only the traditional institution of marriage is beneficial for our society. We can’t just spew Bible verses; we need to intelligently and respectfully engage our friends and neighbors with sound answers.

Below are links to websites that provide clear and cogent answers to the same-sex marriage debate:

  1. The Redefinition of Marriage: An Exercise in Moral and Cultural Suicide
    This is the foundation of the reason why gay marriage ought not be sanctioned by the state. Aside from all the evidence and reasons provided by the articles below, they all ultimately stem from the understanding of “right and wrong” founded on Judeo-Christian principles. But Judeo-Christian values aren’t simply wild, ecstatic, religious utterances that have no basis in reality. If there is a God, and if He made everything (including reason), then certainly reason ought to support what God has allowed and what He has prohibited.
    For those of you, however, who don’t like God, I encourage you to examine the links below.
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  2. Top Ten Gay Marriage False Facts Part 1
    Top Ten Gay Marriage False Facts Part 2
    Judge Walker’s Prop 8 ruling was based on 80 “findings of fact” used as evidence to overrule Prop 8.  Frank Turek addresses the top 10 findings
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  3. Gay Marriage Myths and Truth
    While Frank Turek addresses the ruling itself, Michael Medved looks at the more “popular” arguments for gay marriage and explains the fallacies of each.
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  4. Judge Walker’s Clinic in the Power of Words to Deceive
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  5. Marriage and the Constitution
    Do gays have the right to marry? Are they demanding a new right? Or are these the wrong questions being asked? Ken Blackwell and David Limbaugh assert that the first two questions are not the point of the gay marriage controversy and then they address the real question.
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  6. How Does Gay Marriage Affect Me? and How Does Homosexual Marriage Affect Me Personally?
    I was asked this question recently and I believe the above sites offer a brief, but compelling argument demonstrating how gay marriage can have a negative impact on society.
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  7. Engaging the Same-Sex Marriage Debate
    Here is a video presentation given by Greg Koukl that gives information on this subject from both a biblical and a cultural/secular perspective. You won’t see any Bible thumping or sweaty preachers here — just good information regarding the same-sex marriage debate.
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  8. False Equation: Opposing Same-Sex Marriage and Opposing Interracial Marriage
    Is opposing same-sex marriage the same as opposing interracial marriage? Not at all. Here’s why.

Again, to those of you who are like-minded, take heart: there are good reasons to stand for traditional marriage. To my friends on the other side of the issue, I encourage you to read an article or two and please let me know why these arguments (or an argument in particular) is invalid.

And one last point (it will be even more politically incorrect, so please avert your eyes if you must): Homosexuality, according to the Bible, is a sin; as is pre-marital sex, adultery, beastiality, incest, rape, orgies, and all other sexual relationships outside of the biblical context of marriage. Yet the same Bible also says that an authentic (not religious) restored relationship with the Almighty God is possible through simple, committed faith in His Son, Jesus. That sounds bigoted. That sounds intolerant. That sounds homophobic. Well, I’d agree with you if there was evidence within the scriptures supporting the bigoted/intolerant/homophobic positions.

You see, I really do believe there is a God as He’s revealed Himself through the Bible. Because of that, all of us (His creation) are obligated to follow His design for our lives. Of course, if “God” is simply a figment of my hopeful, but misguided, imagination, or if He is grossly misrepresented in the Bible, then I need to be corrected.

But if I’m right…

The Non-Biblical Arguments Against Same-Sex Marriage

[This post was updated on June 29, 2015, shortly after the Supreme Court ruled that same sex marriage was constitutional.]

While we know there are biblical reasons the Supreme Court shouldn’t have recognized same sex marriage, are there any non-biblical reasons?

Yep, there are.

And once again, I want to make it abundantly clear that the points I present aren’t meant to demean gays or even outlaw the homosexual lifestyle. We’re all Americans and I hope we all can not only peacefully and respectfully dialogue on this matter, but live together with good will toward one another in spite of our differences. That’s my heart as I write this.

Here’re the Quick Points to consider if you don’t have the time to read the entire blog:

  • We only want what’s fair: Actually, some heterosexuals are not treated “fairly,” being prohibited by the state to get married. Some marriage relationships (e.g., parent-child, sibling-sibling, adult-child, polygamy, etc.) are discriminated against by the state, regardless of whether the people who want to be married love each other.
  • We’re being discriminated: if there are entitlement and benefit distinctions between heterosexual and homosexual couples that legitimately need to be resolved, is legalizing same-sex marriage the only way of doing so?
  • We have a constitutional right to be married: The constitutional foundation for same sex marriage is based on the 14th amendment. The problem is, the 14th amendment wasn’t intended to support gay marriage.
  • What is marriage? Marriage is a biologically natural, long term pairing between a man and a woman that is protected, privileged and celebrated by culture because of the unique and vital role it plays in civilization (note the lack of any reference to a government sanction or affirmation of marriage)
  • Objections to what is marriage:
    Who says the above definition is the right one?  If we allow marriage to be defined according to people’s preferences, it loses all definition – marriage becomes meaningless (i.e., without meaning, definition, or description).
    Marriage Has Always Been Changing While it’s true there are variations on the marriage theme (age of consent, number of spouses, marrying for love/marrying out of contract, etc.), that doesn’t mean the theme itself is invalid. All of these variations still hold true to the description of a biologically natural, long term pairing of a man and a woman (not a man and a man).
    We Can Make Marriage However We Want  A society can’t redefine marriage because it’s inherently defined — societies are essentially groups of families, and families are formed through procreation, and procreation comes about through men and women getting married and having children.
    What’s the Harm in Redefining Marriage? Personal freedom and beliefs are being eroded in the following areas:
    1) personal liberty; 2) parental rights; 3) religious freedom; 4) protection from government coercion; 5) political/legal representation, and; 6) social morality

With that said– (this’ll be lengthy, so thank you for your careful and honest attention)

We Only Want What’s Fair

One argument given by same-sex marriage proponents is that gay couples only want what’s fair; they only want what heterosexual couples already have. This is a compelling argument. Who here in America doesn’t want what’s fair for his fellow Americans?

But the fact is, not all heterosexuals have the right to get married (yet?). For example, the state forbids adult siblings from getting married, or parents and their adult children, or polygamists. Is it fair that these individuals be barred from getting married, regardless how much they love each other? (Actually, I kinda shudder as I ask this question; I think the time is coming soon when the “incestgamists” and polygamists will want their day in court, too — and win.)

We’re Being Discriminated Against By Not Legalizing Same-Sex Marriage

Another argument given is that same-sex couples are discriminated against because they don’t receive the same entitlements as straight couples.

On this I agree that same-sex couples do not receive all the entitlements/benefits as straight couples. I concede that point. However, whatever entitlement and benefit discrepancies that need to be resolved between heterosexual and homosexual couples, I would ask, is legalizing same-sex marriage the only way of doing so?

We Have a Constitutional Right to be Married

My thanks to Dr. Frank Turek who addresses the constitutionality of same sex marriage in his article. Here are two of his main points:

  • Intent – The purpose of the 14th Amendment was 1) to give citizenship and rights to the newly freed slaves; 2) provide for full representation of former slaves; 3) prevent states from discriminating against them; 4) prevent former Confederates from holding civil or military office, and; 5) validate and honor the Union war debt but not Confederate war debt. Not one of the five sections of the 14th Amendment was intended to address same sex marriage.
  • The Constitution is silent on marriage – Actually, it’s not silent. This is what it says: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people (the 10th Amendment). Quite simply, the Constitution gave the federal government limited and enumerated powers. All other government powers (including laws regarding marriage) belonged to the states and the people.
    To quote Turek, “While the Supreme Court did overturn Virginia’s ban on inter-racial marriage, it did so because Virginia discriminated on the basis of race, which is precisely what the 14th Amendment was intended to prevent. There is no rational reason to discriminate on the basis of race because race is irrelevant to marriage. However, gender is essential to it. Even the 2013 Windsor decision, which partially struck down the federal Defense of Marriage Act, recognized that marriage is a state, not a federal issue. Since there is no 14th Amendment issue here, the Court must leave marriage to the states.” Obviously, it didn’t.
    For additional commentary on the Constitution and same sex marriage, I recommend Herbert Titus and William Olson’s article “Why the 14th Amendment is no Mandate for Same-Sex Marriage.”

What Is Marriage?

These and other arguments, however, don’t answer the fundamental question: what is marriage? To answer that from a “non-biblical” perspective, I submit the following:

Marriage is a natural, long term pairing between a man and a woman that is protected, privileged and celebrated by culture because of the unique and vital role it plays in civilization (note the lack of any reference to a government sanction or affirmation of marriage)

As a rule, as a group, and by nature, marriage produces the next generation of a society – that’s why cultures, communities, and governments have actively supported this pairing more than any other social pairing. It’s because it’s a natural institution that it cannot be redefined; thus, the whole argument about redefining marriage really is a moot point.

Objections to What Is Marriage

1. Who Said You’re Right!? You might argue, “Just because you say that’s the definition doesn’t make it so.”

I agree, and let’s run with that argument for a bit – if the definition I presented isn’t the most accurate definition of marriage, what is?  Is it your definition? Is it based on majority rule? This line of argument leads to the inevitable conclusion that marriage can be defined and redefined any number of ways – which leads to the problem that once to you define marriage according to people’s preferences, it loses all definition – marriage becomes meaningless (i.e., without meaning, definition, or description). So now that same-sex relationships are legal, why shouldn’t we legalize multiple-partner relationships? Or close relative relationships? Or adult-child relationships? Or human-animal relationships? (I know some of you are going to go absolutely bananas over my last two hypotheticals…) Marriage must mean something specific. However, if there is a better definition than the one provided, I’d love to hear it.

2. Marriage Has Always Been Changing “Wait a minute! Marriage has forever been redefined. How can you say there’s only one definition for marriage?”

You’re right that there are variations on the marriage theme (age of consent, number of spouses, marrying for love/marrying out of contract, etc.), but that doesn’t mean the theme itself is invalid. All of these variations still hold true to the description of a natural, long term pairing of a man and a woman (not a man and a man).

3. We Make Marriage However We Want Some argue that marriage is a social construction – that is, marriage is made by society. Therefore, if it’s made by a society, it can also be changed by a society.  While  this seems to make sense, there’s a logical problem with this line of reasoning. The problem is before we can create a social construction, we have to have a society, and societies come about when people procreate; procreation requires men and women, and it’s the union of men and women that constitute marriages. So before you can get a society to construct anything, you first need men and women to get married and make the families that are the foundation of societies.

Now this doesn’t mean that childless couples aren’t married, please don’t misunderstand the point. The exception (couples that cannot procreate) doesn’t disqualify the rule (couples who procreate). As I wrote earlier: as a rule, as a group, and by nature, marriage produces the next generation of a society.

4. So What? What’s the harm? With same-sex marriage legalized, how is that going to hurt me? I see six areas where personal freedom and beliefs are being eroded:

  • Eroding personal liberty – The internet dating site eHarmony (a privately-owned business) was sued because it didn’t allow gays to utilize their primary site (even though a secondary site was provided)
    –A Christian photographer was sued when he refused to photograph a gay couple’s wedding
    –A restaurant owner was sued for backing out of a gay wedding
    Innkeepers were sued for refusing to host a wedding reception
  • Eroding parental rights David Parker did not want his 5-year-old son to be exposed to same-sex family education at school; this became a full-blown legal battle (see also: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,165253,00.html)
  • Eroding religious freedom – Because Illinois (and other states) have mandated that the Catholic Church allow adoptions to same-sex couples, the church has pulled out of adoption services in those states
  • Eroding protection from government coercion  – Chicago Mayor Rahm Emmanuel blasted Chick-Fil-A for their support of traditional marriage and opposition to same-sex marriage; additionally, a Chicago alderman said he would oppose Chick-Fil-A’s plan to expand in Chicago
  • Eroding political/legal representation – When the government affirms gay marriage, it’s affirming something I completely disagree with, thus eroding my political and legal representation. Now obviously SSM proponents will argue that because the government doesn’t affirm gay marriage, the government is eroding their political/legal representation. That’s true. However, my point here isn’t whose position ought to be affirmed by the government, but the fact that gay marriage affects me personally by affecting my representation.
  • Eroding social morality – Maybe the biggest response I can give to the “so what?” question is that government affirmation of SSM erodes our social morals. Now I understand those who disagree with me would argue on the contrary; in fact, they’ll say this will strengthen our social morality because it’s promoting truer equality. I can understand where they’re coming from, but my point right now isn’t to defend my position, but simply to lay out the fact that I really do, in my heart of hearts, have this belief.
    So with SSM now officially sanctioned by the Supreme Court here, quite honestly, is how I’ve been affected:
    — I felt defeated and frustrated
    — I feel grief over the wrong direction I believe this country is taking
    — I’m even more concerned about the kind of world my children will live in
    — I’ve spent more time on Facebook discussing this issue
    — I’ve turned even more to the Bible for consolation and encouragement
    I can hear some responding, “Really, Chris? Is that all you got? That’s just a bunch of emotionalism!” Well, I have to admit, in a way, you’re right. Same sex marriage hasn’t given me shingles or made me homeless or made my food taste bland. There’s nothing I can point to physically to show the negative effects of SSM on me. But if you’ll indulge me, may I ask: how would you feel if you believed the government affirmed something you thought was morally wrong? This is, what I believe, the reason why both sides are hootin’ n’ hollerin’ so much:  one side sees this as justice realized and the other sees this as state-sanctioned immorality.
    This leads to the ultimate question regarding this issue: whose morality ought we as a society follow?

Conclusion

Not a single Bible verse was referenced, not a single mention of Jesus was pronounced (except for now), not a single word of condemnation was heaped on the homosexual lifestyle. And no, this blog isn’t advocating that those supporting same-sex marriage ought to locked up or kicked out of the country or harassed or demeaned. Not at all!

It does mean there are good reasons (apart from the Bible) to support traditional marriage as the only type of marriage affirmed and acknowledged by the state. Can gays go to a church or other center of faith and get “married”?  Sure, if they want to do that, they already have the freedom to do so.

But must it be a matter of state affirmation?

[Much of the above comes from Greg Koukl’s presentation “Engaging the Same-Sex Marriage Debate“]

“Even Finer” Comes Across a Little Fuzzy

Previously,

Welcome to the blog about Thomas Jefferson that really isn’t about him, even though it’s about him…

Carlos’ latest installment, “Even Finer” is a rebuttal to my assertion that Thomas Jefferson’s religious views were founded on biblical principles as opposed to the “diversity of philosophies” that were common during colonial times.

In “Even Finer”, Carlos writes:

My statement was not about Jefferson, per se, but about the diversity of philosophies current in our nation’s early years. My point was that casting the “way it used to be” as being guided by “Biblical Principals” as a contrast to the current day or other times in our history is a false abstraction.

True, Carlos’ statement isn’t about Jefferson per se, but if my friend is going to make the assertion that there were a “diversity of philosophies in our nation’s early years” and then use Jefferson as an example, he is then obligated to demonstrate Jefferson’s divergence from biblical principles. David Barton’s Wallbuilders website provides abundant information to the contrary. I encourage you to read it, if you haven’t already, but to highlight a few points:

  • Jefferson encouraged local governments to make land available for Christian purposes
  • Jefferson agreed to provide government funds to help evangelize Indians
  • Jefferson’s University of Virginia wasn’t established as a secular university, but as a “trans-denominational university”, having multiple seminaries for various Christian denominations

“Okay, nice bullet points, but that doesn’t mean Jeff didn’t have other values that conflicted with biblical principles.” True enough, so then what proof does “Even Finer” provide to support its point? Well, here’s the list—Jefferson:

  1. Disagreed with other founders
  2. Retained slaves and had an affair with Sally Hemmings, one of his slaves
  3. Extended the idea of implicit power in the Louisiana Purchase, even though he championed a strict constructionist view of the Constitution 
  4. Supported going beyond the written law in certain circumstances
  5. Took on personal debt
  6. Didn’t honor the national debt
  7. Used low brow political tactics
  8. Increasingly adopted Deist views
  9. Rewrote the Bible

It looks pretty substantial until you realize:

  • Disagreements with others don’t necessarily mean you’re opposed to their values. Sure Jefferson disagreed with other founders – but did they disagree on biblical principles (not biblical theology, but biblical principles)? “Even Finer” fails to provide any support for this assertion.
  • Though Jefferson had slaves, he was one of the leading figures that fought to end slavery, however, the British Crown forbade emancipation. When the states sought independence, it was Jefferson’s original draft of the Declaration of Independence that sought emancipation of slaves; and while in the Continental Congress he tried to pass legislation to abolish slavery in all the states.
    As for the alleged affair with Sally Hemmings, there are a couple of points worth noting:
    1) Even if Jefferson had an affair with Ms. Hemmings, he never endorsed having intimate relations with slaves
    2) There is substantial evidence that Jefferson, in fact, did not have an affair with Ms. Hemmings. Unfortunately, there has been too much hearsay on this issue and very little substance. I submit Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings: The Search for Truth as evidence.
  • As for the Louisiana Purchase, I suggest “How Should the Courts Interpret the Constitution”, where under the Et Tu Quoque heading I detail that Jefferson actually sought congressional (and constitutional) approval for the purchase; when that wasn’t going to pan out, he took matters into his own hands and made the deal.
    Here’s the point: if Jefferson believed in the idea of implicit powers within the Constituion (and not strict constructionism), there wouldn’t have been any need to seek out congressional approval first. But that’s exactly what he did. When Congress wouldn’t play ball with him, that’s when he decided to get implicit. 
  • As for Jefferson’s liberal support for acting beyond the written law in certain circumstances: 1) “Even Finer” makes the assertion, but unfortunately fails to specify what circumstances are being referred to (definition, anyone?) 2) Even if there are specifics to support this point, acting beyond the written law was obviously the exception, not the rule – so even if this were true, Jefferson isn’t making a rule of this principle, but an exception to a principle
  • Regarding Jefferson’s personal debt: so what? Again, a person may value biblical principles and not hold to them (it may make him a hypocrite, but it doesn’t demonstrate a divergent value). In other words, just because I spend my money like a drunken sailor and then tell my friends to be self-disciplined and thrifty doesn’t mean I don’t value those biblical principles, it means I don’t practice what I preach.
  • Lack of support for honoring the national debt and low brow political tactics—hmm, again, I’m not sure what Carlos is specifically referring to, so I’ll limit my comments to: specifics, please…
  • As for Jefferson’s alleged Deist views and rewriting the Bible, I’d recommend looking at the Wallbuilders articles that provide documentation that his beliefs weren’t deist, nor that he rewrote the Bible, but instead created a Christian primer for Indians (not a Bible) using only Jesus’ words in order to introduce them to Christianity.

So what do we see from all this? We see that Jefferson was real: a living, breathing, fallible, honorable, three-dimensional man with strengths and foibles (I love that word). There’s no argument there. Was he a Christian? Not in the orthodox sense, though he himself said, “I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus.” Did he value biblical principles? The historical record resounds with a hearty yes.

So where’s the “diversity of philosophies” as demonstrated in the life of Jefferson? Was he a fallen man like the rest of us? Yeah, he was. But I ask again, where’re his divergent philosophies that show that biblical Christianity was simply one of many many ideas swimming around in the cultural and political soup of the early days of our new republic?

[shrug] I still don’t see the evidence…

What I do see is a man who loved his country, had his faults, and saw Christianity as the foundation for our republic. As Jefferson said,

No nation has ever existed or been governed without religion. Nor can be. The Christian religion is the best religion that has been given to man and I, as Chief Magistrate of this nation, am bound to give it the sanction of my example.

Nothing fuzzy about that.